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hello everyone and welcome to the show

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i'm martin willis your host and we have

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another great show for you this evening

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uh coming up we have randall nickerson

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he's going to be talking about all sorts

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of things not just the ariel uh

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phenomenon the film that he worked for

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over 14 years on

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but we are going to actually go into

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that somewhat and see some of the stills

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these wonderful stills that he took

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progressively through the the journey

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in africa and some very interesting

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people he's going to talk about that

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that he spoke with

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they're sort of offline

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about their ufo encounters and i find

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that very fascinating myself going

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different places and when these subject

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of ufos comes up

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it's amazing some of the stories that

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you hear

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that will never be

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heard elsewhere and that's actually what

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i'm doing my talk on at shag harbor

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coming up on october 1st is really the

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unknown encounters i'm pretty excited

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about uh going up there and doing that

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talk

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so in the news this came out this is an

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opinion piece keep that in mind but

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this came out

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i believe it was today

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and this is about uh congress implying

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again it's an opinion piece but congress

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implies ufo's having non-human

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have non-human origins uh anyway uh so

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check that out that's on the hill i can

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link that as well in the show notes

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and um so

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uh our blog this week is called

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um it's by charles lear as usual ufos

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and psyops it's about the um

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mk ultra the mind control the cia all

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the stuff that they did back in the 60s

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and 70s i think it was the 70s mostly

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where they did that type of thing

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another fascinating blog by charles lear

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also he makes those into an audio blog

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every

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week so you can listen to those on

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youtube

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with some images or that goes out in our

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podcast feed thank you so much for

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supporting the show for all of you that

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do thank you all for listening anyone

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can support the show all they have to do

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is go over to podcast ufo.com and you'll

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see the link on the top menu support the

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month you can really help us out our

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membership has dropped and it would be

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nice if uh we could get more into the

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black a little bit so anyone that would

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feels like helping out sure could but if

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you can't do that i understand

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and again like i said i do appreciate

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all listeners so here we go randall

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welcome to the show hi martin thanks for

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having me again uh always great to see

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you randall in and i i thought what we

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could do is we could

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the elephant in the room done with

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for you to talk about i know you can't

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name the streaming

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service but we can say it's one of the

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largest streaming services and i i think

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you were really handed

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well i don't want to say a bag of you

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know what but i think you were

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treated very poorly and i'd like for you

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to i'd like for people to know about

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that so that's one of the reasons i

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wanted you on this evening and we won't

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end the show in a negative way but i'd

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like for you to talk about that so we

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um yeah i'm not not someone to really

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the negatives when the film is so good

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it's been rated so well um

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but yeah we had i was working with uh

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for almost two years with uh three

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separate entities um and they all knew

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you know no question and we proved it by

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launching it ourselves in this sort of

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and getting the reviews that were there

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but i i really you know

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there are people involved who are going

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to going to make the people i was

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and basically i i don't want to talk for

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took all your information

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and your idea and decided they could do

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it themselves and save themselves some

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money and make some more money

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that's basically it that's pretty much

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it and this is after you spent 14 hard

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different people for through this

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project it was no big it was no small

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deal these were all big people

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um i would i can't out of pocket i had

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to pay 40 grand i didn't get that back

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so it actually cost me money but and

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they all knew

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about that everybody on the crew

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did they wanted they wanted to cut it

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so they just wanted to change things

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around basically yeah take them

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you know like yes yeah the very people

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story nobody else and that's where i

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tweaks and changes and i was fine with

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are they going to is this streaming

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platform going to have access to that

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do they own a lot of the rights that

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and money money changes everything when

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they throw you throw money at things

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it really does yeah

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you know i don't know if a lot of people

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know this but 14 years like i my budget

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was a million dollars that didn't show

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up you know immediately or anything i

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had to work for every penny of that

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and every person that and the people

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that are the unheard people are the

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people that

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made investments donations you know what

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i'm just putting this up for the people

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watching on youtube netflix and

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twitch right now here's a picture of you

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just to show people you've been at you

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were at this for 14 years you know this

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is the martin this was the the i this

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was the picture i took of myself in 2008

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that right as i'm walking out the door

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to go to africa

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oh my god this is it it's the only

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picture that exists of of the time i

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i'm like i gotta get a shot of myself

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and all i say is and it's video too it's

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oh my god look how old i am now

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well unfortunately the time just ticks

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on but uh so you know the budget kind of

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thing like i owe an enormous amount of

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that made the film possible

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yeah and uh i thought we'd have it all

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these contracts all these negotiations

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would work out fine that's the way it

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that's the case and that's why i'm

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speaking up because

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there's money owed to crew money owed to

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you know people that hold rights

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there's money owed to investors like

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people that put huge money into helping

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me help helping make this film possible

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and i will fight for that

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you know i may not fight for my own

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money but i'll fight for others other

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people's money that they put into this

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no question so

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right i mean i'll talk about this but

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also it's like i i'm also actively doing

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something and will continue to when i

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see something that that off off the mark

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in my opinion

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so did you have at some point in your

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negotiation did you feel as though uh

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there was a shift um where

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like okay now all of a sudden they

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wanted to bow out

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and is i mean how did all that happen

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and and them all of a sudden decide that

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how did you find out that they decided

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to make their own aerial

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film we all we all

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i mean it was full on go and then all of

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a sudden we had a meeting you know a zoo

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she's at least a dozen people

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uh we'd already been going for eight

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months together everybody was super

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excited and all of a sudden some

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somebody upstairs came down

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and and canceled the call

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and uh

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everybody everybody's on the payroll or

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not me but every single person it was

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making huge money for that meeting

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and they they cut that meeting off and

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then i got on the phone

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i'm like what's what's going on and um

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they said we cut it

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and i'm like

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what's what's the reason

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and then that was really telling there

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was no reason

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again

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yeah i call like guys you you got to

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give me uh

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some kind of reason

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like was it creative was it

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you know what was it like whatever it is

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i wanted to hear the truth of what that

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was but they couldn't speak it

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because i don't think that's what it was

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you know i don't think it was something

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that

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was wrong

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with a the film

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i mean they knew it was a winner

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everybody that worked on it knew

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and then you know the other thing it

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could have been was me or people i was

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working with well

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all they had to do was say that they did

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not

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major studio that is the largest one on

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the planet i'll just say one of the

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largest ones on the planet and they were

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also interested and kind of the same

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thing happened and then i ran into

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you know everybody's wasting my time

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essentially in the film's time

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and that's why i had to launch on my own

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because i was going to run my rights

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were going to run out

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oh i see

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oh oh

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i understood that and then i realized oh

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yeah no no no

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that ain't gonna happen so i had to

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launch on my own

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so you have rights up to a certain point

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and then after that you lose those

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rights and that means that the film

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couldn't be launched if you waited

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another year

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in a lot of different ways

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yeah man so someone somewhere let's just

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devil's advocate somewhere in the upper

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management said hey this is a really

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cool idea well hey instead of uh instead

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of

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paying out this money we can do it for x

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and

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do

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so

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if people are aware of people in the

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film industry are uh

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you know most of like all the big name

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streamers that like they're not taking

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documentaries

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anymore

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you know

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uh

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they'll take it but they have to have

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their creative input into it

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right they have to they have to

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essentially own it

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i mean that's really what's going on you

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can talk to a lot of documentary

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filmmakers amazon stopped taking

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independent documentaries

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you know because anyway you can look all

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this stuff up but the the business has

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changed not that these things haven't

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happened

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but the business models of streamers has

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gone through quite a different change

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and um it's very hard to make your own

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film and get it out there without having

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influenced you know influences from

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the big boys

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and to me to me i gotta tell you to me

365
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that is censorship

366
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that's i hate i know that's a big word

367
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to say but when when you can't do a

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movie and it's great

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without somebody else stepping in to

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make their changes for whatever reason

371
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that to me don't make sense

372
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that is um

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control

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yeah

375
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and control of whatever message the film

376
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is

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saying i spoke with another filmmaker

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that

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and i just don't have his permission to

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say

381
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you know but basically

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uh a major streaming platform

383
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basically told him that um they would

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have all the rights to all the footage

385
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for 10 years

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and he bowed out because he didn't want

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to be

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constricted in any way like that for 10

389
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years is a long time

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to

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property basically

392
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and so he left he left he he walked out

393
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of that deal and maybe that's part of

394
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the changes you're talking about that

395
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have happened

396
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is that yeah yeah and i've talked to

397
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some people on the inside of some

398
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friends that are on on another streaming

399
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platform which is actually doing really

400
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good right now but i think it's partly

401
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because of their attitude and their

402
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attitude is

403
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you know if you screw the little

404
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filmmaker they're never going to take

405
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their stuff to you

406
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yeah

407
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they won't sure and the way

408
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certain people have been practicing that

409
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i've run into

410
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yeah they'll never see me again

411
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and i won't speak a good word to any of

412
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my filmmaker friends about it because i

413
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want to warn them

414
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yeah i don't want them to go through

415
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what i went through

416
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yeah

417
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well dean eliotto a mutual friend of

418
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ours

419
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he's he's out there i'm hoping he's um

420
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he's listening right now i know he is

421
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but uh uh

422
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you know he's out there with his his

423
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film now and you know in the process of

424
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uh some some of the work he's done and

425
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:22,320
yeah um you know i mean i don't i i

426
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:24,720
always i i would kind of like to think

427
00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:26,560
wow why don't all these guys get

428
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together and make a movie

429
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like i love that the the the big three

430
00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:33,120
i'd love it

431
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:35,680
yeah yeah you could you could really uh

432
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:37,360
kick butt out there

433
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yes there's enough of us and we're all

434
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so different and our interests and

435
00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:46,240
knowledge about the this topic are

436
00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:49,040
a lot a lot of knowledge there yeah and

437
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:50,959
yours goes way way back

438
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:53,120
for years but um long before you ever

439
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:54,399
got involved

440
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in in this

441
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and uh well i'm going to bring up some

442
00:17:02,470 --> 00:16:59,920
of the stills but uh first of all before

443
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:02,480
i do that how was the film doing i just

444
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:03,839
got a notice the other day you just

445
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dropped the price uh putting it out

446
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:08,480
there again and so you can get it for 14

447
00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:10,880
for those of you who have not watched it

448
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:14,240
um to me it's an amazing film i've

449
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:17,039
watched it several times i love it um

450
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:19,120
it's uh this

451
00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:21,120
in my opinion as i've said many times in

452
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:23,600
the show i i consider this one of the

453
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top encounters i always say it's my top

454
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:29,200
number one or or two

455
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of because of

456
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:33,679
all of the credibility it has with these

457
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:34,799
children

458
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that have you know grown up now they're

459
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in their 20s

460
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and

461
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:41,120
the

462
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:50,160
bbc guy trying to remember his name

463
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:52,880
uh got out there um

464
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:55,919
it's just all so so good and i've had

465
00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:57,679
three or four of these people on my show

466
00:18:02,070 --> 00:17:59,679
and you know their accounts of what

467
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:02,080
happened is just totally totally blows

468
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:03,520
blows me away

469
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:05,840
and the consistencies that they have

470
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:07,360
some people say well the crafts look

471
00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:08,799
different the people you know the beings

472
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,720
look different but you know here they

473
00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:12,400
are kids they're just drawing from their

474
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their memory but i the best part about

475
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:17,200
it the best part one of the best part of

476
00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:19,200
my opinion of that whole thing is the

477
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teacher making them go in and draw

478
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:22,240
pictures right away

479
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:24,160
i think that was brilliant

480
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:24,960
and

481
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:27,120
we probably wouldn't have the case

482
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:28,720
you probably wouldn't have the film you

483
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:29,600
have

484
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:31,120
if that's for that

485
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:34,320
and i that was cynthia hines suggestion

486
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:35,600
to be honest

487
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:38,799
to the headmaster to have the kids draw

488
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:41,600
um you know people that say that

489
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:43,039
you got to realize like when they were

490
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:44,720
doing these drawings they were all

491
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different ages they were all different

492
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:48,080
uh

493
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:49,840
that was me and judy

494
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:52,880
uh all different ages all different so

495
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and their art

496
00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:56,880
was all completely different their

497
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:58,720
perceptions right

498
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:01,039
they drew whatever they in their own

499
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:02,559
mind saw

500
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:04,880
but the problem is everything they saw

501
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:07,760
was strange right right draw it a

502
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:10,559
certain way had to do with their skill

503
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,799
you know and and really what the key is

504
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:14,080
to this whole thing

505
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:18,320
is body language during testimony yes

506
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,240
so i've got you know there's somebody

507
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,320
working on that right now like for a

508
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:24,480
paper which is fantastic

509
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,840
because

510
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,600
somebody that's a professional in this

511
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,120
particular thing

512
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,280
about you know things where you see or

513
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,520
deception and you know different types

514
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:35,280
of body language

515
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,799
tell you

516
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:38,720
that's right then it's very subtle

517
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:41,679
things it's down to a math you know and

518
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:43,840
oh it's down to that

519
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:45,840
i'm in the middle of a course i've been

520
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:47,919
taking a body language course

521
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:48,799
um

522
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:49,760
just because i thought it was

523
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,640
fascinating and i'm i'm i don't know

524
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,799
part way through the courses

525
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:57,120
it is really fascinating what people do

526
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:58,880
you look first of all you you look for a

527
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,760
base

528
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,600
like what someone normally does when

529
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,360
they're telling like a story

530
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,360
uh of something that you know that is

531
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:06,960
true truthful

532
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:11,750
it's just it's quite amazing there's one

533
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,520
on i'm not going to talk about it too

534
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,520
much but there's one on bob lazar that's

535
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:17,039
really fascinating

536
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:17,760
so

537
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:18,799
and what they've

538
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:21,360
what they've done with that and uh i'm

539
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:22,960
not going to give any spoiler alert on

540
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:26,000
that people can look it up themselves

541
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,440
cool i like that stuff yeah yeah so that

542
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:31,120
that's great and

543
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:32,240
so

544
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:35,200
did do you know how many of the kids

545
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,080
actually

546
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:38,320
went with the streaming platform and and

547
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:39,760
to remake

548
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,480
their own version of your movie

549
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:43,600
three

550
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,679
i mean i feel a little better about that

551
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,760
it's not like you know 12 of them or

552
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:51,840
something well there may have been at

553
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,840
the scene i don't know i mean

554
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:55,200
i can only hear

555
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,799
you know what people share with me yeah

556
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,400
but same idea

557
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:02,240
yeah take the witnesses back to where it

558
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:03,120
happened

559
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,320
yeah

560
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,320
well if they if they don't have access

561
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,480
to john mack's film again i think that

562
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:10,559
was such an important part of the movie

563
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:13,440
and yeah because i agree

564
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:14,320
yeah

565
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,520
i mean there's uh probably he was

566
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,280
probably one of the best people to

567
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:20,960
interview those children in the entire

568
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:23,919
world i think we interviewed them

569
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,240
i agree he he went farther than anyone

570
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:28,559
else and that that that was his

571
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,600
contribution to that really right right

572
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,080
but the film is is doing is it's doing

573
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,159
okay i consider this the beta phase

574
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,559
because i realized you know what there's

575
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,039
not going to be any i've been on and off

576
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:43,039
the phone with you know producers and

577
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:46,000
netflix sorry not network people

578
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,440
and um

579
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,960
you know i just found out that was a

580
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:50,960
freudian slip by the way

581
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:53,200
uh yeah and um

582
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,200
so i'm i uh uh i'm gonna start doing uh

583
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:58,400
theatrical

584
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,320
releases and one here in october

585
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,280
la as soon as possible down in hollywood

586
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,480
so i can

587
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,480
put it right in your yard

588
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,480
boston and then new york

589
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,480
yeah and i know the one you have coming

590
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,159
up you're not really announcing it but

591
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,640
it's uh but i hope to attend that and

592
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,520
it's

593
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:20,240
um not where i am right now

594
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,200
yeah

595
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,039
so and these are three theatrical

596
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,440
releases um and

597
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:26,400
to me

598
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:27,200
i'm

599
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,480
that's what i want to do i want to see

600
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:30,880
this film in a theater

601
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,760
in a great contract you have uh i mean

602
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,000
that the filming uh

603
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,799
is just remarkable and the little

604
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,640
subtle things that you put in here and

605
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,840
there

606
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,520
and that you put in through editing are

607
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,000
just absolutely fantastic

608
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,919
yeah in a theater we did screen it

609
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,360
before uh

610
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:51,360
you know just to see how it looked in

611
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,840
the theater with crew and a few friends

612
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,159
and oh my gosh the just the sounds and

613
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,840
all the different sounds you really hear

614
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,640
it

615
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,320
uh and

616
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,159
it's a different experience and when

617
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:04,080
you're sitting in a big room with you

618
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,039
know

619
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,120
at that time it was 12 people but when

620
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,559
we got finished with that movie there

621
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,720
were three people in tears

622
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:12,080
yeah that's real

623
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,559
so i'm really excited to see

624
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,480
uh you know we did so many test

625
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:18,000
screenings and

626
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:19,520
but it's going to be interesting to see

627
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,720
a packed house and see how the audience

628
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,120
um takes it in what it what how it

629
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:26,880
affects them you know that's what makes

630
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,159
me curious oh yeah yeah here's a here's

631
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:32,159
a question up here from in indie

632
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,120
syndicate productions

633
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,520
yeah uh so he wanted me to ask you about

634
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,280
your rotten tomatoes score and by the

635
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,799
way if you've watched this film and you

636
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:42,400
feel like i do

637
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,000
please do go to rotten tomatoes and and

638
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,159
and read a review i'll write a review on

639
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:50,480
that i mean that's the biggest reward of

640
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,440
all

641
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,000
you know is your ratings and i'm rotten

642
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,799
tomatoes it's been between 90 and 100

643
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,679
ever since it came out yeah imdb it's

644
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,320
been over nine it's been i think it's at

645
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,720
8.9 right now but

646
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,799
i don't even watch movies

647
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,240
you know that are that high because

648
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,840
they're they don't exist they're very

649
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,320
few that exist that are in that category

650
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,240
yeah so that's like to me the greatest

651
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,080
reward no matter what's going on with

652
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,360
all this is like no it's good we did our

653
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:22,320
did my work my crew did my work my

654
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:23,440
investor

655
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,799
are owed a lot of money

656
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,799
um you know

657
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:30,880
so i i feel

658
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,679
it's kind of weird to feel pride and i'm

659
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,520
sure everybody on my team feels the

660
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,679
pride of it but there's just

661
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,240
the reward isn't there you know and not

662
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,720
the reward to make millions of dollars

663
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:44,799
the reward to pay everybody for what

664
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:48,080
they did yeah really that's really what

665
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,520
it is it's like

666
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,679
my crew i mean i had crew volunteer i'm

667
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,360
like i can't pay you

668
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:55,919
oh let's start you know and i there are

669
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,480
there are several people on my crew who

670
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:01,200
did it because out of heart

671
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,080
money

672
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,159
yeah and i swore to and it's dot you

673
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,640
know i did legal things on paper say you

674
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,799
will get this money period

675
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,559
yeah um

676
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,799
and that may take me who knows depends

677
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,720
on what happens but uh

678
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:16,480
if it takes me years to do that it'll

679
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:22,230
people don't understand it's not just me

680
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:23,840
or it's not just the film there's a

681
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,480
whole bunch of people behind this

682
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,440
you know sacrificed that's right

683
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:30,880
here's a question someone's asking you

684
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,520
know i think uh you actually did speak

685
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,279
with james fox they're wondering why you

686
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,840
didn't get advice from james fox about

687
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,039
uh these things that you're talking

688
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,880
about but you and james did talk about

689
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,679
this yeah we did yeah well

690
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,200
you know

691
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,679
uh he had similar issues like all of us

692
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:48,799
yeah

693
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:54,950
what's what's interesting is this is a

694
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,559
coming breaking story right that's kind

695
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,200
of in its infancy and god those poor

696
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,919
people back in the 50s 60s 70s 80s who

697
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,279
also

698
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,279
did what we're doing which is try to try

699
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,360
to say hello but something's going on

700
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,520
here um

701
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,039
but there's just no question at this

702
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,840
point the relevance of these films and

703
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,600
the films to come

704
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:19,919
are important not just to

705
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,480
be important to our society

706
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,400
important to our world

707
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,480
you know

708
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,760
no and i think the world is more open

709
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,000
to actually i mean this is really good i

710
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,240
know your film took forever to make and

711
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,840
people were

712
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,520
complaining forever

713
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,200
about how long it was taking i was

714
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,799
getting i think i was telling you i was

715
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,360
getting like an email a week for a long

716
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,279
time so that means you were getting

717
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:47,200
50 emails a week when's your film coming

718
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,400
out when's your film coming out when's

719
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,159
your film coming out and you must have

720
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,640
got tired of hearing that and i remember

721
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:55,120
when it was post-production and you were

722
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,480
trying to sell it

723
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,279
and that was was that two or three years

724
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,679
oh yeah that was a good three years yeah

725
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:03,679
yeah and that's a long time to be in

726
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,880
that phase of it a long time a long time

727
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,880
um even though we were

728
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:11,360
in in negotiations with different people

729
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,480
i mean we were i was still my crew chris

730
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:15,840
rick we were

731
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,399
you know we were still like hmm

732
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,640
how can we make this better you know so

733
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,159
during that process we were still

734
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,720
working but it did delay us a lot we

735
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,320
would have been done you know people

736
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:27,760
give you hope

737
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:30,640
there's ways people um

738
00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:37,510
tag you along you know

739
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,430
you wait and you wait and you just and

740
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,840
finally you realize oh yeah

741
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,720
that's exactly what they want you to do

742
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:46,240
so you're not doing anything else and

743
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,600
then you know

744
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,520
at this point it's like yeah that ain't

745
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,279
happening anymore

746
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:53,039
i remember when you were in the editing

747
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:03,190
i lost you going in and out is

748
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,590
you're back it was just a crinkle all

749
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,200
right i'm gonna try plugging it

750
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:09,279
somewhere else

751
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,909
how's that yeah we're good okay here's

752
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:19,440
another question here someone wanted to

753
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:20,159
know

754
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,960
uh

755
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,279
will there be a dvd and if so will there

756
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,000
be extras on it absolutely

757
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,399
and what's the any ideas do you have any

758
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:30,480
ideas in a year or something like that

759
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,520
any

760
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:33,039
i think

761
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,159
dvd

762
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,720
i think once we i think we once we um do

763
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,679
the theatrical launches and get enough

764
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,279
to get out of the hole

765
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,120
so to speak um

766
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:44,880
then that'll be a no-brainer we'll start

767
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,320
selling them put the dvd together um

768
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:50,159
with all the extras which there's a lot

769
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:50,880
of

770
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:55,039
nother project but that's also gonna be

771
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,399
very interesting because of what

772
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,399
happened during the making not just on

773
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,720
that level but you know the things that

774
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:02,000
happened in

775
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,440
in africa

776
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,600
were

777
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,640
absolutely fascinating and dramatic and

778
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:10,960
you know just an interesting film just

779
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:13,600
on that level but that will that you

780
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,480
know

781
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,399
that'll be an interesting film as well

782
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,399
but yes for the dvds we were definitely

783
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,880
going to have extras and um

784
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,640
there's just a lot more information

785
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,799
people don't even know about that a lot

786
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,480
of people have never seen

787
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,480
to be honest and these are a lot of the

788
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,240
interviews of the kids when they were

789
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,080
younger

790
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,320
um this only that's right it's a movie

791
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:35,760
you know

792
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,399
ahead go ahead no go ahead

793
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,919
one of the things i wanted to do in the

794
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:44,720
beginning was just play the archival

795
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,470
oh that would be something i mean it's

796
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,799
interesting but it's not a story but it

797
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,520
is a story but i mean the power of

798
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,679
seeing these kids talk about this over a

799
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,600
long period of time just let the tape

800
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,360
run you know that's how i think for a

801
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,039
good 20 minute section i just wanted to

802
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,640
let the tape run

803
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:06,960
but again i got advised not to do that

804
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,480
um but there's tons of that material

805
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:13,600
and it speaks volumes

806
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:17,440
i bet i don't know i i would love to in

807
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,480
the dvd um to um

808
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,919
there's no question there's going to be

809
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:23,919
a lot of extras yeah

810
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,480
right now this question uh this person i

811
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:28,320
believe has not seen your film they want

812
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,679
to know where they may be able to see

813
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:30,880
the movie

814
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,279
soon on streaming you can stream and you

815
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,960
can stream it right now

816
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,440
it's uh go to ariel phenomenon dot com

817
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:39,760
right isn't that where it is yes it's on

818
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,919
aerial phenomenon dot com

819
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:44,159
when you click that rental thing it goes

820
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:47,760
to vimeo so vimeo is is our platform you

821
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,880
know so to speak for now um you know

822
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:52,799
we're on the line with with amazon right

823
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,360
now we could launch any day with amazon

824
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:58,159
but again there are complications with

825
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,200
that

826
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,720
which

827
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,399
that's not um

828
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:03,679
not okay

829
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,720
well i was and don't get anywhere well

830
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:08,320
i'm a little bit excited to hear about

831
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,120
amazon that that'll just open up all

832
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,559
over the world

833
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,720
and um you know about any movie you

834
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,120
wanna watch you can find on amazon and

835
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,440
just pay the rental fee you know be it

836
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,200
beat a different fee than you know

837
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,000
you're you're talking about normally

838
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:26,720
correct um it gets a little more complex

839
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:29,600
than that um but i know it's that's why

840
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,799
it's it's a button push right now yeah

841
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:35,279
but there are other uh

842
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,480
reasons that that need to be uh

843
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,240
openly talked about and we have not had

844
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,240
that conversation yet and it needs to

845
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,000
happen or we're not gonna do it

846
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,559
i see yeah we'll do it another way we'll

847
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,399
go there we'll go we'll go around a

848
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,840
different way to do it but i mean it's

849
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:51,760
just complicated people have no idea

850
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,799
like yes business to

851
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:57,279
all that goes on and um

852
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:58,799
all the things you never expected to

853
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,679
have to do yeah yeah you sure find out

854
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,120
when it's uh

855
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:05,200
that's your face yeah either deal with

856
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,799
it or you walk away

857
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,960
that's right i was at a uh

858
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:11,039
cranberry bog down here on the cape

859
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:12,240
yesterday

860
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,519
and i was listening to this organic uh

861
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,120
cranberry bark and i was listening to

862
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:19,840
the work they put in i said to the woman

863
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,919
i said did you have any idea was this

864
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,919
much work when you started when you get

865
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:26,320
here she shook her head no way you know

866
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,240
it's like when p if people only knew how

867
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,760
much work was going to be in something

868
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,840
would they would they have started it

869
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,159
you never would have started it yeah my

870
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,480
first grand piano i rebuilt i was like

871
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:38,000
yeah

872
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,279
yep

873
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:41,360
four years later

874
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,279
it was done

875
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,120
and you know how many times i i wanted

876
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,360
to quit in between yeah

877
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,200
yeah just they screw it i don't want to

878
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,120
do it had you ever felt that way about

879
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:53,120
this film did you ever want to quit oh

880
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:54,240
god yeah

881
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:57,279
really absolutely probably every single

882
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,240
year

883
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,399
and what made you keep going

884
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:02,000
the story

885
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,039
yeah

886
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:05,120
the story

887
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,559
yep

888
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,399
and the people involved in the story

889
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,519
they had faith in me yeah no i couldn't

890
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,279
quit for them

891
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,360
you know the witnesses the other people

892
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,310
that was what kept me going because and

893
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:21,919
i did like there were times where i just

894
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,159
like i gotta stop for a month

895
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,600
gather my thoughts and and rest

896
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,720
and

897
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,000
you know

898
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,240
go to the next process was a lot of

899
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:36,080
times was i gotta raise money so i can

900
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,440
do this

901
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:39,360
yeah and then get that done it's like

902
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,480
great

903
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,200
and then you come up to another mountain

904
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,039
and uh got to deal with whatever that

905
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,880
mountain is and

906
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,080
you know the thing i didn't really

907
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:51,200
expect so much was when it got into like

908
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:53,919
oh yeah we got to do legal things here

909
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,440
yeah lawyers i'm like jeez man yeah

910
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,519
expensive

911
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,080
um contracts all that stuff i didn't

912
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:03,840
want to do i wanted to do it right you

913
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,399
know completely but i

914
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,919
had to get a little bit of a legal

915
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,159
education which i

916
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,879
that was never on my list ever

917
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,560
i don't think i don't think anyone would

918
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,960
start a film thinking about any of that

919
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,800
in the beginning it seems like

920
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,960
you know just this exciting

921
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,720
venture that you're gonna

922
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,800
you know get involved with and i don't

923
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,960
think the legal aspect really people

924
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,960
think of that too much

925
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:30,079
you know

926
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:31,200
at the end

927
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:31,919
yeah

928
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,399
it started off for me like creatively i

929
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,639
just came off a 20-minute film

930
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:39,119
i had i was shooting another film that i

931
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,639
was uh

932
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,800
had already shot all the footage

933
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,280
and then ariel came along because of

934
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,240
dominique calanopoulos oh yeah after she

935
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,919
saw my 20 minute film she's like do you

936
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,119
want to do something about this and i

937
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,079
said absolutely so i started right away

938
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,839
on that um

939
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,760
and i was thinking creatively like oh

940
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:59,359
i'm gonna i want to tell this creative

941
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,720
story about you know this event and then

942
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,200
within a short time it was like wait a

943
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,920
second no i have to be an investigator

944
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:08,720
like

945
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,400
i've got questions

946
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,079
and i'm still not going to put out a

947
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,839
film unless i answer those questions for

948
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,920
myself so then

949
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,720
the next like five six years it was all

950
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,200
about digging and taking you know not

951
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:25,280
being creative whatsoever just doing

952
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,560
facts

953
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,000
testimony

954
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,560
and then i had to go back to being a

955
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:32,320
creative person it was a very odd

956
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:33,440
journey

957
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,320
uh

958
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,000
and then i was like wow yeah this is

959
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,079
kind of how i started

960
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:39,839
and then once you get into the editing

961
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,960
then then you can can can get back to oh

962
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,960
making a movie from this stuff it's

963
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:47,280
already been vetted and looked at in

964
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:49,119
every possible manner

965
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,400
and now i can take what i know is true

966
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,720
and and put it into the film

967
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,800
and uh and then

968
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,480
kind of in that process was like who

969
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,720
owns that footage oh yeah no we gotta

970
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,800
talk to that person and then we gotta

971
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,480
have a contract and then we gotta you

972
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,240
know the whole

973
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,240
everything becomes uh

974
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,400
paperwork in a lot of ways once the

975
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,640
creative processes

976
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,359
is solid and it's just

977
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,680
it's uh

978
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,200
not what i expected

979
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,320
now dominique um she i know she was with

980
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,400
john mack uh when

981
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:26,880
when he went to africa um

982
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,520
yeah and did she help you along the way

983
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:32,000
or was it justin did she kind of like

984
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,359
give you the

985
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,920
you know the suggestion and and help you

986
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,520
get started

987
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,320
uh she held a few fundraisers for me in

988
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,760
the beginning that were extremely

989
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,800
helpful

990
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:45,280
to get to get me off the ground to get

991
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,480
over to africa you know at in 2008 to

992
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:50,160
2009

993
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:51,119
uh

994
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,560
yeah over the years she's been very

995
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,880
helpful um

996
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,400
she hasn't been like part of the crew or

997
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:58,400
anything but you know

998
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,680
as far as a

999
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:01,839
and she you know she also

1000
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,240
um put me in contact with somebody who

1001
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:07,040
was very helpful on the financial end

1002
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,400
oh that's good

1003
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,359
yeah and and thank god for that woman

1004
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,119
because

1005
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,280
i reached out to her years ago trying to

1006
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,680
get her on the show she was not really

1007
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:19,920
interested in talking about about it at

1008
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,040
the time

1009
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,720
but yeah i think once it goes real

1010
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,320
mainstream because she's got every you

1011
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:26,160
know we all have our businesses and what

1012
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,119
we're doing

1013
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,119
and she has a she has an occupa a

1014
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,160
professional occupation correct right

1015
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:34,160
yep so i understand

1016
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,839
uh here's something i i don't exactly

1017
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,000
know when the new ufo footage will be

1018
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:42,400
released and from what country it's from

1019
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,520
do you understand that question

1020
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,200
it was a mistake i made during an

1021
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,000
interview

1022
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,920
i think we heard about this i heard

1023
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,480
about this okay yeah someone alerted me

1024
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,359
to not have mentioned um so i can't say

1025
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,119
anything i should have never said

1026
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,280
anything and it's not whatever

1027
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,680
yeah you screw up when you're on live tv

1028
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:06,079
on uh or live

1029
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:07,760
you know it's it's just some that was my

1030
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,960
bad like i shouldn't have even said it

1031
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,320
yeah and you know when you know a lot of

1032
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,079
things like

1033
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:16,880
about other things uh it's on your mind

1034
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,040
a lot and it can slip out that's what

1035
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,880
i'm working by doing interviews is like

1036
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:22,160
uh yeah you got to put that in the

1037
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,599
closet you mentioned that there's

1038
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,359
certain things that i could mention

1039
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,119
yeah that aren't going to be beneficial

1040
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,599
for me yeah i understand yeah and that

1041
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,640
definitely can happen i've i've uh yeah

1042
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,040
i i've had something similar happened

1043
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,040
before i'll put it that way yes

1044
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,280
yes yeah sure you all do or anybody

1045
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,760
that's you know yeah when you're live a

1046
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,160
lot of times yeah can you can you

1047
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:46,720
clarify if the children drew that day or

1048
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,920
days later wasn't it that same day no it

1049
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,200
was days later

1050
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,440
well it may have been a few people in

1051
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,240
that first day but they sat them down on

1052
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,839
monday morning

1053
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,680
and when was the sighting

1054
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,200
friday right

1055
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,680
yeah so they had the weekend that's too

1056
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:05,200
bad they didn't do it right away but

1057
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,160
that is

1058
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:07,920
pretty fresh there's a time thing there

1059
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,640
too like you know they all went home

1060
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:12,880
that day around one o'clock

1061
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,000
so the incident 10 30 it was a commotion

1062
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,760
commotion commotion and then they all

1063
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,599
had to go home

1064
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,079
so there wasn't really time for them to

1065
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:25,200
do that and and the teachers were like

1066
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,640
nah you know

1067
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,280
they didn't think you know those kids

1068
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,599
had to go home

1069
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:34,320
over that weekend or that day and tell

1070
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,520
their parents

1071
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,160
right parents called the school to tell

1072
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,240
them they need to take this seriously

1073
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,640
because my child is

1074
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,640
telling me this story that makes

1075
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:46,960
absolutely no sense to me and it was the

1076
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,079
parents that that really made it uh made

1077
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:52,480
the school take it seriously

1078
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,359
wow that's that's that's actually great

1079
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,200
really true

1080
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,079
yeah i saw that in your film where john

1081
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:02,240
mack is up there in front of the the

1082
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:03,280
parents

1083
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,560
and talking

1084
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,480
and that was uh i had never seen that

1085
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,560
before and that was really something

1086
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,960
yeah that's a rare piece of footage

1087
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,680
so

1088
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,880
we found it

1089
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,640
so yeah

1090
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:16,079
um

1091
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,480
here's another uh question any chance of

1092
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,440
this in the san francisco bay area

1093
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,040
the screening

1094
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,599
after la probably i would love to do

1095
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,440
that actually i i think i'm gonna have

1096
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:33,119
to take it on the road

1097
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,240
yeah

1098
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,560
well anyone listening to this show if

1099
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,560
you have any connections

1100
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,000
and you think you can help randall

1101
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,760
please do get a hold of me and i'll i'll

1102
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:43,839
connect i'll connect people

1103
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:46,319
i appreciate that yeah cause we're

1104
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:47,440
you know

1105
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,880
it's at the point where it's like you

1106
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,480
know what i'm gonna have to sling this

1107
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,319
over my shoulder and carry it around

1108
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,319
wherever i need to

1109
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,000
here's here's someone along those lines

1110
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:58,079
asking this i think the promotion could

1111
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,440
be more mainstream what is your

1112
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,520
marketing strategy

1113
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,960
i don't know if you want to address that

1114
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:04,000
or not

1115
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:05,520
well i know i mean it's been a big

1116
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,440
problem um because you know most films

1117
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,920
like this their marketing budget is

1118
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,359
three hundred fifty thousand four

1119
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,800
hundred thousand that's just for

1120
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:17,040
marketing it shocked me but i again oh

1121
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:18,800
my god oh wow

1122
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,520
yeah and and the big films like the

1123
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,599
film i was working with

1124
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,680
when all this went down their their

1125
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,480
budget was 2 million for promotion

1126
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,079
oh my god

1127
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,920
yeah and that's how you get a world you

1128
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,760
know that's how you see it in the taxi

1129
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:35,280
that's how you see it on the billboard

1130
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,560
see the commercials all that that's

1131
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,079
where all that money goes

1132
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,480
so i never had that and i definitely

1133
00:41:46,109 --> 00:41:42,640
don't have the money to do that

1134
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:46,119
um unfortunately i have hired uh

1135
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,000
promotionalists that uh won so far

1136
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,040
and um i have my eyes out but we just

1137
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,800
don't have the resources to pay for

1138
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:56,720
what's actually necessary

1139
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,599
what about um any of these indie film

1140
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,440
festivals

1141
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,280
is there is that something you can even

1142
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,880
do is with that would it fit the

1143
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,319
criteria

1144
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:07,280
yes

1145
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,319
uh-huh

1146
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,760
is that something you would ever

1147
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,760
consider a lot of these kind of do a

1148
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,839
soft launch through that right well

1149
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:15,839
we're yes exactly and that is another

1150
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:18,880
avenue we tried that three or four years

1151
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,319
ago when nobody this was before 2017.

1152
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:23,760
um

1153
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,040
you know the december 2017 and then uh

1154
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:29,119
nobody was interested and then

1155
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,800
now a lot of people are interested we're

1156
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:32,160
submitting now

1157
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:33,040
so

1158
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,160
yeah

1159
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,480
no we you and i have talked many times

1160
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,960
about how so many things have changed in

1161
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,040
the last few years and

1162
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,280
and uh you know how people are there's

1163
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:46,000
still stigma there's still a stigma but

1164
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,800
yes

1165
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:48,000
people are

1166
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,839
that's gonna figure it

1167
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,839
it's gonna take you it will there's a

1168
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,240
lot of questions in in chat um and i do

1169
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:56,560
thank you all for uh posting all these

1170
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,910
let's see i'll try to get some of these

1171
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,000
up that randall can

1172
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,160
address

1173
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,400
uh people are having website there

1174
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:10,880
aren't able to oh do you know anything

1175
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,760
about this particular thing i don't know

1176
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:14,800
we're going to look at he's going to

1177
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,079
look into that if there's any uh maybe

1178
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:19,680
maybe the millions of people watching

1179
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,040
the show right now are trying to watch

1180
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,160
uh that was a joke that is a joke yeah

1181
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,430
sorry i think that's important um

1182
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,880
i'll i'll remind you of it after the

1183
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,200
show okay but uh here's one now do you

1184
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,880
have any idea what these visitors were

1185
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:38,480
up to

1186
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:39,520
no

1187
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:44,319
the fact that they

1188
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,950
um

1189
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:46,400
[Music]

1190
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,920
from the witnesses themselves that these

1191
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:51,839
these things approached a group of

1192
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,119
children on a playground that

1193
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,280
to in that set you know that's what i do

1194
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,599
know is like wow what was that was that

1195
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:01,200
curiosity

1196
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,560
i mean

1197
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,720
what was that about i've had people say

1198
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,240
maybe they're

1199
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:08,560
um

1200
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,839
craft had had some mechanical issues uh

1201
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:14,240
maybe it was the uranium mine which was

1202
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:15,200
in

1203
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:19,839
um

1204
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,880
i don't know

1205
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:22,560
your guess is as good as mine but there

1206
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,359
are some possibilities there well i i

1207
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,599
personally wonder if it's

1208
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,720
the

1209
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:30,079
children

1210
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,960
the

1211
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:32,400
that are

1212
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,760
that because there's so many of these

1213
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,119
school

1214
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,640
yard sightings

1215
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,040
all over the world you know and i

1216
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,920
i did i know you said you had like 30

1217
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,400
000 emails to get to but i remember i

1218
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,480
sent you an email with a woman that had

1219
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:48,720
a south african experience

1220
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,400
um back in i think in the 70s you know

1221
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,560
and but all over the world these school

1222
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,160
children these are

1223
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,359
these are humans that can be influenced

1224
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:02,160
and and changed um you know i mean

1225
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:03,359
they're open

1226
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,599
people are you know i mean like

1227
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,440
oh what's this this is interesting that

1228
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:11,200
type of thing and not like oh my god you

1229
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,319
know there's

1230
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:14,720
uh so i think there

1231
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,079
i i think there may be a reason that the

1232
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,960
reason may be that they are children

1233
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,240
you know i

1234
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,920
i agree with you i've had that thought a

1235
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:25,040
lot it's like how you're going to

1236
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:26,560
influence the future when you know the

1237
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,000
future's in trouble yeah go to the kids

1238
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,560
right because they're going to grow up

1239
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,640
with those images that were projected

1240
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,800
into their heads and knowing that that's

1241
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,680
going to happen and they're going to

1242
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,119
make changes

1243
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,200
i don't know if that's the case but it's

1244
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:43,440
definitely one of the big

1245
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,480
uh

1246
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,560
one of the top things that i think about

1247
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,800
when i think about why kids

1248
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,520
and and but that does make sense

1249
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,520
and uh i think it might have been our

1250
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,880
friend dean

1251
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,040
that said did you notice they didn't

1252
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,800
give them a solution

1253
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:00,800
they just showed them

1254
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,599
you know they are the solution

1255
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,359
kids are the solution

1256
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:07,520
but yeah no that's very true like well

1257
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,800
if you're gonna tell us about it what

1258
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,920
are you gonna do what are you doing

1259
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,520
about it you know exactly you know that

1260
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,800
kind of thing

1261
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,640
now i'd like for you i'd like to shift

1262
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,880
gears a little bit randall but uh we can

1263
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,160
of course go through these really

1264
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,640
interesting pictures this

1265
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,599
wow

1266
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,920
this was this was the father of one of

1267
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,040
the um

1268
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:27,280
groundskeepers who witnessed uh what

1269
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:30,480
happened in 1994 this was his dad and i

1270
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,440
went to his dad to see if he knew about

1271
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,280
these other creatures out there he's a

1272
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,839
sangoma which is a witch doctor so you

1273
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:39,359
know we you know

1274
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,800
a very uh religious person um

1275
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,000
animism

1276
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,800
uh and of course the same answer it's

1277
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,400
like yes we've known about them for a

1278
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,920
long time

1279
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,000
and yes and uh at some point i know we

1280
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,760
don't have a whole lot of time left i

1281
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,680
would like to discuss i'm just going to

1282
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,079
go through some of these pictures

1283
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,240
um but i'd like to discuss some of these

1284
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,599
people that have told you about their

1285
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,920
own encounters sure

1286
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:06,000
and uh it it's probably none of these

1287
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,520
these pictures that i'm sending here i'm

1288
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,280
just can we go back to that other

1289
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:11,200
picture there

1290
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,079
no

1291
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,400
one forward

1292
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:17,119
right there yeah oh this was the moment

1293
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:19,079
in december of

1294
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,319
2017 when we're all editing that's chris

1295
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:23,760
rick me

1296
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:24,480
and

1297
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:25,280
uh

1298
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,720
the pentagon release at the end of 2017

1299
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:32,079
in december

1300
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,760
and we all stopped and we're all

1301
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,599
watching tv

1302
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,119
we're working on a movie about it and

1303
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,280
we're like you got to be kidding me

1304
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:41,040
the the tv is on commercial right now

1305
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,480
but that's why we're all looking at the

1306
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,359
tv we're like are you kidding me

1307
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,920
i wasn't saying the experience yeah

1308
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,319
video i video it i pulled i took video

1309
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:52,160
of it but i i pulled a still out of the

1310
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,839
video because it was just a moment you

1311
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,839
know we're like what we're working on

1312
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,400
about this and it's on national tv

1313
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,160
yeah that's right

1314
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,800
that comes occasionally is that in your

1315
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,800
house in massachusetts yeah it's right

1316
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:06,720
outside the door oh i guess i won't be

1317
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,349
and let's see that's uh

1318
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:13,520
there's my crew there's your crew right

1319
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:14,960
there yeah

1320
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,160
yeah this is rick uh rick degrees uh

1321
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,520
chris seward uh rebecca rydow and myself

1322
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,440
oh yes rebecca i've talked to many times

1323
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:25,680
so yeah it's a great great group of

1324
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,640
people

1325
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:28,160
yeah awesome

1326
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,440
yeah and

1327
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:31,359
yeah you are yeah

1328
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,800
and so we'll just go through these real

1329
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,440
quick and i want you to would uh you

1330
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,200
know you can chime in these are such

1331
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,440
great shots and by the way you have some

1332
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,000
beautiful african wildlife photography

1333
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:44,000
on your website just

1334
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:45,200
amazing

1335
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,160
yeah

1336
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:48,000
so this is this is where i live right

1337
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:49,280
here

1338
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:53,920
middle of this big forest yep wow

1339
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,400
800 acres is crazy it's all owned by the

1340
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,520
state

1341
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:59,520
but to me the animals own it and that's

1342
00:49:01,190 --> 00:49:00,319
cool

1343
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,200
yeah

1344
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,640
and they do

1345
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:04,079
this is a picture

1346
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:05,680
for all those people that think earth is

1347
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:08,880
flat i had to go up to 9000 feet

1348
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,680
above my house i'm right above my house

1349
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,680
and i had to go all the way to 9000 feet

1350
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,839
with a telescope to shoot manhattan

1351
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,240
that's manhattan from massachusetts oh

1352
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,280
my god so i'm really like and you can't

1353
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:22,960
see it until you get to a certain

1354
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,319
altitude right yeah you just see boston

1355
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:29,040
from 6 000 feet yeah with the telescope

1356
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,839
but i and this is in a plane uh but i

1357
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,240
have to go to 9000 feet because of the

1358
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:35,839
curvature of the earth

1359
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,800
to shoot manhattan and i was this shot

1360
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,280
was uh oh my god it just brought new

1361
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:42,559
york

1362
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:47,599
life in in the woods close

1363
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,480
huh

1364
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,480
interesting

1365
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,640
uh one of my wisdom people his name is

1366
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:55,200
viva i hope he's still alive he was a

1367
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,559
very important guide to me in africa oh

1368
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,920
cool wow

1369
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,000
what a beautiful shot this is and for

1370
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,839
those of you listening to the audio you

1371
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,119
can easily

1372
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,680
you know switch over to the youtube

1373
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,720
which is

1374
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:11,280
always in the show links and this is

1375
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:15,920
about at uh 50 50 49 48 minutes in and

1376
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:18,800
you can see all these great pictures

1377
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,760
where's this whale that's not uh africa

1378
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:24,319
yeah that's that's in south africa that

1379
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,520
is yeah

1380
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,520
wow just happened to be in the right

1381
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:29,680
place at the right time with the

1382
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:32,000
incredible whale and had the right lens

1383
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,960
on

1384
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,000
um

1385
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,720
amazing yeah southern right whale

1386
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,400
oh that's the boston shot from six

1387
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,559
thousand feet with the same but it's the

1388
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,319
weather was terrible

1389
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:43,920
yeah

1390
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:52,839
this is where i learned everything in

1391
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,160
2008 from this wall i got all the names

1392
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,599
of these people

1393
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,000
oh is that right so you got all their

1394
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,240
names and then you started the worldwide

1395
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,400
search for them because they muttered

1396
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,079
there was a problem in south africa and

1397
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,559
they scattered right yeah zimbabwe had

1398
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,359
was under yeah it was it was not okay to

1399
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,000
live there anymore for a long time still

1400
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,079
it's not great but uh

1401
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,000
yeah that when i stood at this wall was

1402
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,800
the moment of saying i can find them

1403
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,640
i got their full names

1404
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,640
date of attendance so i know who was

1405
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:25,760
there

1406
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,680
and that began and that was the moment

1407
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,760
of like i can find them

1408
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,520
how many how many of the kids did you

1409
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:33,040
actually find

1410
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:34,160
43.

1411
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,440
that's amazing

1412
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,200
and there's tons more out there i just

1413
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,079
ran out of time money and

1414
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,760
you know there were so many countries i

1415
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:43,760
just couldn't australia i couldn't get

1416
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:44,559
to

1417
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,400
you know there were so many countries i

1418
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,839
couldn't get to

1419
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,280
to interview some of these people

1420
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,880
because they're all over the place now

1421
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,880
there is a misconception they

1422
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,839
they're

1423
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,359
out there everywhere you read about the

1424
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,839
ariel incident it'll say 62 school

1425
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,079
children it was a lot more than that but

1426
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,480
62 were above

1427
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:08,800
uh the sub-primary level right isn't

1428
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,839
that what it was well honestly it was 62

1429
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,359
drawings

1430
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,839
oh that's what it was mm-hmm so it was a

1431
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,040
lot more

1432
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,280
exactly exactly

1433
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,040
there were two classes that were not

1434
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,640
allowed that were

1435
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:24,240
just kept away from the situation

1436
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,599
entirely

1437
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,880
uh

1438
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,800
and didn't do any drawings or anything

1439
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,319
else but there's i mean i interviewed a

1440
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,559
couple of them and

1441
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:33,760
you know

1442
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:37,040
they're actually what they saw is is

1443
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:38,480
there's some interesting interviews

1444
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:44,430
that's my grandfather's

1445
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:47,839
1888 uh a b chase grand piano which i

1446
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:50,480
rebuilt when i was 20 years old

1447
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,440
wow

1448
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,760
yeah to my living room

1449
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,520
yeah my other life my ten thousand

1450
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,839
dollar aircraft that i bought

1451
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,720
um doing spins which it's rated for

1452
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,240
totally legal

1453
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,640
uh-huh but an awful lot of fun

1454
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,160
yep yep

1455
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,480
i did a little bit of that for a while

1456
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:10,800
did you lessons yeah i took lessons

1457
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,839
great awesome it's such my log

1458
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,680
ah keep it you never know when you're

1459
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:16,960
gonna go back

1460
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:19,599
but yeah it's just a great persp uh uh

1461
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,839
perspective of the world you know right

1462
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,000
this is the school right here isn't it

1463
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:27,680
are we at the school right here that's

1464
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,480
the school

1465
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,200
yep this is actually no this is the

1466
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:33,040
this is the area this is the landing

1467
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,559
site area just left uh left and a little

1468
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,480
further of center

1469
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,720
is where that thing came down

1470
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:42,319
i see

1471
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,599
yeah

1472
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,520
there there weren't houses there before

1473
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,520
or anything this is just an overhead of

1474
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:49,760
uh the aerial school the playground and

1475
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,109
you know okay oh i remember this shot uh

1476
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:57,839
i remember the scene from the movie

1477
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,400
yeah yeah when you're driving in

1478
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:03,359
wow that's a heck of a camera lens

1479
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,040
right there yeah when you do wildlife

1480
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:07,680
you kind of you you you know you build a

1481
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,119
hide

1482
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,200
not all the time but if you really want

1483
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,200
to capture something that you know lives

1484
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,839
in a certain area you you camouflage i'm

1485
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,359
in a high

1486
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:19,200
totally camouflaged tent covered with

1487
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,400
brush

1488
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:22,079
and um

1489
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,839
that's what you do you sit there for an

1490
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:26,240
awfully long time

1491
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,359
wow

1492
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,160
so we just lost kgra radio there uh they

1493
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:32,640
went off line i just got a message from

1494
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:35,359
bill over there and uh so i didn't i

1495
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:36,559
didn't get a chance to say goodbye to

1496
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:37,839
them but we'll keep going here for a

1497
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,359
little bit and uh this is the uh the

1498
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,599
teachers right but isn't this a more of

1499
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,520
a period shot or is this when you were

1500
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,000
there this is when i was there yeah okay

1501
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,400
i see i see it now yes our features i

1502
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,160
see emily right there yeah it's pretty

1503
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,319
much the whole school except for emily

1504
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:56,079
you know all the people that that work

1505
00:55:02,789 --> 00:54:57,200
there

1506
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,799
uh

1507
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,040
kissing up to a zebra

1508
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,119
yep

1509
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:09,920
and that looks like yosemite's half dome

1510
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,280
that is yeah and there many times have

1511
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,000
you yeah what a beautiful place it is it

1512
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:17,680
is gorgeous

1513
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:20,319
these are just different shots

1514
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:23,760
oh yeah hey this one this is in zimbabwe

1515
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,200
after working 18 hours a day for about

1516
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:29,680
eight days and they couldn't get me off

1517
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:34,240
the ground i just went out on it

1518
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,920
i just fell asleep

1519
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,440
that was great

1520
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:38,799
but it's not my you know it's not a

1521
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:41,280
pretty picture but it's the truth and

1522
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,640
this is one of my favorite pictures

1523
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:44,960
because this is this is the attitude i

1524
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:47,599
had over there and on this project was

1525
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:50,720
like all right let's go

1526
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:53,200
looks like an indiana jones shot

1527
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,799
what yeah

1528
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,640
aerobatics training

1529
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:58,079
oh wow

1530
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,760
uh this is the picture of us getting uh

1531
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,079
intercepted by the

1532
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:06,240
zimbabwean special forces because we

1533
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,760
were shooting

1534
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,200
at a um

1535
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:11,520
sacred site and we didn't have a permit

1536
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:13,359
to do so

1537
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,640
they sent the special forces

1538
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,799
so i'm sitting in here on the chair

1539
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,359
they're telling me what i did wrong and

1540
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:23,200
what it's going to you know oh my god

1541
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,119
what are they going to take us to jail

1542
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,040
what are they we had no idea what was

1543
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,440
going to happen they held m4s

1544
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,920
i wish you could see the guns

1545
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,880
but

1546
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,480
they said no you need to stay here

1547
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:36,240
tonight and

1548
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,760
there was me

1549
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,280
uh nikki

1550
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,520
uh chris and uh

1551
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:43,680
emily and we

1552
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,720
we got into our our rondavel or you know

1553
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:49,280
very african place we're staying and we

1554
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,480
barricaded the doors wow because we were

1555
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,319
like dude they're coming in tonight

1556
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:56,559
there's no question yeah so we

1557
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,440
barricaded the doors and then

1558
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:01,440
one of our crew members

1559
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:04,079
put all these things between him and the

1560
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,680
door that someone would have to trip

1561
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,880
over

1562
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,119
i mean it was a story i'm glad we got

1563
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:11,040
that one picture and chris took that

1564
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:12,559
that wasn't me because i'm the one in

1565
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:13,520
trouble

1566
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:16,240
um but yeah it was just like

1567
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:18,079
we didn't none of us know knew what was

1568
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,440
gonna happen that night but there were

1569
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,839
several times like that it's just it's

1570
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,520
nice when it gets on camera because you

1571
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:25,680
can say no it really happened

1572
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:26,720
yeah

1573
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,720
that is scary when you're in a a place

1574
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:30,240
like that you have no control third

1575
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:33,040
world country dictatorship military i

1576
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,470
this is chris picture of me oh my god

1577
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:42,799
i was just trying to get a shot

1578
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,200
i didn't have a ladder but i had a car

1579
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,280
i'm gonna assume it's a rental car

1580
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:49,040
yeah i had to

1581
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:53,119
with scratch marks on top yeah wow

1582
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:56,079
a friend of mine um

1583
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,680
oh my god chrissy took this of me

1584
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:01,520
i love this shot i don't know why but it

1585
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:04,400
was it was for it was for who took it

1586
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,510
thing i'm a directing camera

1587
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,520
that's never a good sight

1588
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:27,119
no that's not from the

1589
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:30,559
yeah yeah that was my plane alone

1590
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:31,280
yeah

1591
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:33,040
it was just one of those pictures i'm

1592
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:34,480
like yeah oh

1593
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:35,680
judy

1594
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:42,950
she runs the school she's a really

1595
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,870
and what are these notes for

1596
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:50,640
start that's your storyboard right there

1597
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,599
one of our early storyboards yeah

1598
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:55,520
yeah

1599
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,200
this is great and this is how you have

1600
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,680
to start most vehicles in africa right

1601
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:00,960
we did

1602
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,520
there's no gas station anywhere like you

1603
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,920
know there's no battery chargers or

1604
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,760
plugs around when you get when you break

1605
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:12,079
down and or you stall it or whatever and

1606
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,359
your starter doesn't work which

1607
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:15,520
amazingly a lot of starters do not work

1608
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:16,640
over there

1609
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:19,040
so they rely on people pushing it to get

1610
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,799
it started and this is what i had to do

1611
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,480
over and over

1612
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:24,720
that's amazing that'll keep you in shape

1613
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,559
yeah it was great it was cool to be with

1614
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,040
all these people you know oh my god and

1615
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:31,440
trying to let's okay we can do this and

1616
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:32,559
do it

1617
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,720
yeah

1618
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:36,079
all right

1619
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:36,960
yeah

1620
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,079
so this one

1621
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:39,920
yeah there you are again

1622
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:41,280
and again

1623
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:43,920
that it's just so funny but uh that's

1624
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:47,599
ariel right there

1625
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:51,119
of me shooting ariel from the site

1626
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,920
uh

1627
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,079
from the landing site area because i

1628
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,760
wanted to get their the perspective of

1629
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:57,599
whatever that was that you know

1630
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:03,190
judy they had mistress again her and i

1631
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:05,599
having conversations that's another shot

1632
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,799
of that

1633
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:08,720
this is early on as you can tell that

1634
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:10,720
was very early on when i was doing the

1635
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,240
research in the archives of

1636
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:16,079
one of the biggest newspapers in

1637
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,920
southern africa

1638
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:19,760
oh that must have been interesting it

1639
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:22,640
was very interesting it was uh

1640
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,920
i mean

1641
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,520
you can look like they still keep

1642
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,760
everything in files nobody's databased

1643
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,240
or anything no microfiche

1644
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,400
well there was some but not not at this

1645
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,960
particular place

1646
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:36,559
there's a shot of emily looking out

1647
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:37,520
toward the

1648
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:40,839
school right yeah i love that shot

1649
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,599
yeah which is in the film now emily uh

1650
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,440
so that's it basically for the pictures

1651
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,200
thank you um

1652
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,079
so emily um

1653
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:51,920
in the film for those who haven't

1654
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,799
watched it you can really see

1655
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,960
the emotional toll that this whole thing

1656
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,400
has taken on

1657
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,960
her in particular

1658
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,599
and and are there other people that you

1659
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:05,760
have talked to that did not make the

1660
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:09,119
film that also have a very emotional

1661
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,559
definitely

1662
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,480
matter of fact somebody that i could

1663
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,640
have had in the film but i do not think

1664
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,079
it was

1665
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:17,920
in this person's best interest to be in

1666
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:21,520
the film because of the

1667
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:22,400
the

1668
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:26,240
with it

1669
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,680
i do not think it would have been

1670
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:29,760
helpful for the i this i just don't want

1671
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:32,960
to name any names um this person so like

1672
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,520
a ptsd type of thing right i mean post

1673
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,200
traumatic stress

1674
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:39,760
yep on and i can understand i can

1675
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:42,319
totally understand why that would be so

1676
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,280
for them

1677
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:45,119
grounded by

1678
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,480
you know after the fact it gets

1679
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,359
compounded by your family and whether

1680
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:51,760
they believe you or not

1681
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,440
that's all the adapt that's

1682
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:55,760
compounded by society for the same

1683
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:57,039
reason

1684
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,079
you know

1685
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,039
what happens is people end up alone

1686
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,640
with nobody to talk to and like we were

1687
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,480
talking about before about these

1688
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,799
witnesses that see this stuff and never

1689
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:09,280
say anything except to people

1690
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,960
they know are working on this subject

1691
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,480
matter

1692
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:14,960
right and so let's talk about that you

1693
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,760
told me you know briefly that you spoke

1694
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:19,920
when you were in south africa you spoke

1695
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,240
to a number of people

1696
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,559
and can you discuss some of their

1697
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,359
stories that they that you were told

1698
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,520
sure i mean there's so many

1699
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:31,359
i mean a lot of them i documented and

1700
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,799
i've you know

1701
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,960
did audio and video when they had to

1702
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,240
allow me to

1703
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:38,160
but there was plenty that said you know

1704
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:41,440
don't tell anybody i told you this and

1705
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:43,760
and made that statement

1706
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:45,359
after they told me their story of what

1707
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,200
they saw but there was one that was very

1708
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,200
interesting for business uh two

1709
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,680
businessmen and their wives and kids and

1710
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,240
they were in um on the south coast of

1711
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:55,920
south africa and they

1712
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:58,240
had witnessed while i was there

1713
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,760
uh an extremely bright light

1714
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,319
off into the ocean right which was right

1715
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:06,240
there i went to the place

1716
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:07,839
and they said that light came from under

1717
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:10,480
the water and then all sudden uh some

1718
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,280
type of triangular massive object

1719
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:15,280
emerged from the water

1720
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:17,839
huh they were stunned

1721
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:18,799
and

1722
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,640
a pair of binoculars

1723
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,000
to look at it

1724
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,240
you know they describe it perfectly you

1725
01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:28,559
know perfectly as like the detail that

1726
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:31,039
they saw and that thing went up to the

1727
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,839
cloud deck and then disappeared into the

1728
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,000
cloud deck and at the same time was

1729
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:38,799
starting to alter its course to south

1730
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:40,160
because they were looking toward the

1731
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,630
but this was something that they'll

1732
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,000
never forget and they aren't they

1733
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:48,160
weren't into

1734
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,000
they they'd never even thought about

1735
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,720
that and their question to me was i i

1736
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:54,799
would like to know what it was

1737
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:57,119
yeah i've never seen anything like that

1738
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:58,640
i don't know where it was from i've

1739
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:00,880
never seen anything do that because it's

1740
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:03,359
he said it just floated silently up to

1741
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,119
the clouds that's why i was going to ask

1742
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,880
you if there was any noise at all no no

1743
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:08,160
no

1744
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:12,720
minutes a small airplane came over the

1745
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:15,839
same area which is made a lot of noise

1746
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,720
but they saw this thing kind of float

1747
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:20,319
you know it wasn't a balloon they knew

1748
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:21,839
that they were looking at it with good

1749
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:24,400
good binoculars

1750
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:26,960
look i mean story after story it's like

1751
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,000
well

1752
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,520
i mean always frustrates me and i'm sure

1753
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:31,200
it frustrates a lot of people it's like

1754
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:33,760
why is this not

1755
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:35,039
um

1756
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,400
being discussed not because you know

1757
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,480
i guess some people think we can't do

1758
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:42,240
anything about i don't know what it is

1759
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,960
you know they don't want to be

1760
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:44,240
embarrassed they don't think we could do

1761
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:46,160
anything about it anyway

1762
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,599
that's kind of what i've always thought

1763
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:49,200
about the air force

1764
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:51,039
they can't do anything about it anyway

1765
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,079
so um you know and even now you don't

1766
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,480
hear too much from the air force do you

1767
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:58,319
you know when you hear from the navy

1768
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:00,799
even you know congress

1769
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,280
you hear from

1770
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,760
nasa but you don't you don't hear too

1771
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:07,680
much from the air force and i've always

1772
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:10,160
thought you know maybe they

1773
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,000
they just can't say

1774
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,400
you know what's flying in our skies we

1775
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,319
have no idea what it is

1776
01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:18,160
maybe they're just it's like something

1777
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:20,559
that they just feel they can't say

1778
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:23,359
if that's what the case is

1779
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:26,000
i think so um but i can tell you for

1780
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,680
sure that they've had a very big

1781
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:28,799
interest

1782
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,920
that i know yeah um but i mean maybe

1783
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:33,520
they'll be the last i mean everybody

1784
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:34,960
else is

1785
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:36,559
they'll they're going to be forced to

1786
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,559
speak up at some point

1787
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:40,319
uh there's that's a no-brainer and

1788
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,559
there's plenty of people that um have a

1789
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,240
lot to talk about

1790
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:45,839
yeah yeah

1791
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,160
and um i i like someone's idea someone

1792
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:50,400
on my show said this one time and they

1793
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:53,920
said why not offer like an amnesty to

1794
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:56,400
you know pilots um you know from way

1795
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:59,200
back the ones that were

1796
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:01,119
just so they can just plain come forward

1797
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,400
and talk about what they know

1798
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:06,720
i think that would be a good idea

1799
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,559
because there's a bit circums you know

1800
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:10,160
what regardless of what other people

1801
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:11,359
have done

1802
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:14,240
in the past i think the gravity and

1803
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:15,839
importance of

1804
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:17,839
of the fact

1805
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:20,240
is way more important than any of that

1806
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:21,200
right

1807
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:23,039
yeah

1808
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,480
and i mean just the

1809
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:26,720
if it is the announcement that

1810
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,400
you know nasa

1811
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:30,559
recently said they're going full

1812
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:34,000
bore into the ufo uh uap topic you know

1813
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,839
uh because before they said they were

1814
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,200
only

1815
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:39,280
i think they were um

1816
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,640
procuring

1817
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:42,400
only a hundred thousand dollars for a

1818
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,480
study and to me that's like

1819
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:46,160
you know uh that's like a person's

1820
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:47,760
salary type of thing you know it doesn't

1821
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:50,480
make sense but now uh i've heard there's

1822
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:52,880
a few gopros up on us on the shuttle or

1823
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,880
you know

1824
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,559
that's right that's yeah that's putting

1825
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:58,559
something up yeah like a grapefruit up

1826
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:59,599
into the

1827
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:02,160
space you know cost that much but into

1828
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,000
the international space center but

1829
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:06,480
anyway i i think it's interesting that

1830
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:07,599
they're saying that they're going to

1831
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,400
really

1832
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:11,200
look truly into it i don't know what the

1833
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,359
details are of that yet i had a number

1834
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:15,280
of people email me

1835
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,200
um about that

1836
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:19,440
so i i think you know the plan is pretty

1837
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:21,920
pretty simple from what i see is you

1838
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:24,079
know expose everybody to the fact that

1839
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:25,760
these things are out there flying around

1840
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:28,160
we don't know what they are but you know

1841
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:29,920
this it's going to eventually be very

1842
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:32,720
clear that they're not it's not us right

1843
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:36,720
and then we get to then we get to well

1844
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:39,680
what's in it who's piloting it right

1845
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:41,280
that's the next split stage and then we

1846
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,440
get to talk about people who have run

1847
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:45,520
into them and you know contact they're

1848
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,960
never going to talk about abductions or

1849
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:48,880
anything like that i doubt it

1850
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:51,920
um but that's kind of the path

1851
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:54,000
a lot of you know and it makes sense you

1852
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:56,319
can't you can't just dump this on people

1853
01:08:01,589 --> 01:07:59,440
like you've got to take them slow

1854
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:01,599
it's this is a big deal you got to take

1855
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:06,870
take one thing at a time and the one

1856
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:09,440
thing they're doing now is saying okay

1857
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,440
these things are out there what are they

1858
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,920
which is great place to start

1859
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,280
um

1860
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:17,359
i know a lot of people are impatient

1861
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,400
that's right

1862
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,239
and it's critical that we get on it i

1863
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:22,319
mean thank god there are the people that

1864
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,040
there are there who are taking it very

1865
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:27,440
seriously and those people like you know

1866
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:29,839
speak about the air force and military

1867
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,520
i guarantee you they know what's going

1868
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,679
on and um

1869
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:35,359
well i think they know more of what's

1870
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:36,480
going on

1871
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:40,000
wonder i want you to address this

1872
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:42,960
because i if this is true i talked to

1873
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:44,640
10 people that watched your movie and

1874
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,239
they all said they wanted to see all the

1875
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,319
kids interviews and that's frustrating

1876
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:50,400
you know there is more well you only

1877
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,520
have a platform of so much time yeah

1878
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,600
there's like four hours of it i mean you

1879
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:57,600
know and i that was a choice because you

1880
01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:58,560
know

1881
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,759
we had to get across uh

1882
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:02,960
what we

1883
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,159
uh

1884
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,640
we had to get the story of what happened

1885
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:08,239
across

1886
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:10,400
and you know uh

1887
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:12,880
with what we had and and you know the

1888
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,520
other stuff just was more of the well

1889
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,759
the same in a way but also extremely

1890
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:19,040
valuable because they're totally

1891
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,199
different people with totally different

1892
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,719
perceptions of it but there's just there

1893
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,960
was no time

1894
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:26,480
but that you know

1895
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,159
i still have the rights to that footage

1896
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:30,480
i'd love to do something much more

1897
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,520
serious just about the kids experience

1898
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,960
you know all of them

1899
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,199
all of them documented that at the time

1900
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,120
and there's all of them i mean there's

1901
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:41,040
probably at least 60

1902
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:42,960
that's that's

1903
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,719
on the archival

1904
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:46,159
wow so

1905
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:49,440
almost all those kids did an interview

1906
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:50,960
that's great the ones that weren't

1907
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:53,600
interviewed at the time

1908
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:56,960
did get interviewed years later

1909
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:01,679
back in 1996 97 wow anyway i understand

1910
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:02,719
the topic

1911
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:03,440
yeah

1912
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,679
so here's another one why why not go on

1913
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:07,920
joe rogan you and i talked about that is

1914
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:08,800
that

1915
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,600
joe was had an interest at one time

1916
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,040
and i don't know

1917
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:14,960
i mean i've i've had a lot of people

1918
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,310
some pretty famous people contact joe

1919
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:22,080
and like hey joe what's going on like

1920
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,199
why aren't you

1921
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:25,920
yeah you should or you know do it and

1922
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:29,360
i've had promotion i've written them

1923
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,040
other people have mentioned it i have no

1924
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,679
idea maybe it's

1925
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,679
part of his schedule i know he doesn't

1926
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,000
talk about this stuff all the time

1927
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,760
but there's a lot of people asking me

1928
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:42,239
that question now like yeah joe done

1929
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,679
this that would be a really good

1930
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:45,520
launching pad for more

1931
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:47,920
so uh for more many more views

1932
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,640
absolutely it would be really helpful

1933
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,360
it would be so if anyone out there

1934
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:54,719
um has

1935
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,199
an interest in helping randall get this

1936
01:11:01,430 --> 01:11:00,000
ariel phenomenon promoted a little more

1937
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,440
try to figure out a way to get a hold of

1938
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,600
joe rogan if or some of you may know how

1939
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,679
to get a hold of him and let's get let's

1940
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:07,840
get randall on joe rogan's show and get

1941
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:10,239
this thing out there more so uh this

1942
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:11,840
question up here were there any missing

1943
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:13,760
person reports in the area at the time

1944
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,760
of this incident that's an interesting

1945
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:17,520
question

1946
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:19,440
do you know

1947
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,480
did you say yes yeah

1948
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:24,480
can you collaborate on that well they

1949
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:27,440
found her 24 hours later unconscious

1950
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,800
oh

1951
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,719
really

1952
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:32,960
is this the one that

1953
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,280
that no there was someone i'm thinking a

1954
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:37,280
whole different incident she was in she

1955
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:41,360
was from the area not from the school uh

1956
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:46,310
it was one of the things in the

1957
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,199
investigation that got looked over

1958
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:51,600
you know what i mean i really wish they

1959
01:11:57,130 --> 01:11:54,560
followed up further on this uh this

1960
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:57,140
woman was a female

1961
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,239
[Music]

1962
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,480
but yeah she was missing they found her

1963
01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:02,239
she was unconscious

1964
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:02,580
um

1965
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,719
[Music]

1966
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,800
i mean even mentioned it to john mack at

1967
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,880
the time but he he was just

1968
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:10,480
he kind of went like well they call this

1969
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,840
a certain thing when that happens and

1970
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,679
i'm like oh

1971
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,440
no

1972
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:17,520
because he was so focused on the kids he

1973
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:23,189
you know what what's great is hopefully

1974
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,480
that's why i want to get this around

1975
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,480
more is because

1976
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,960
those people are going to come forward

1977
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,560
and you know

1978
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,320
to somebody anyway if they don't go

1979
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:34,320
public themselves but that's the other

1980
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:35,840
thing like that's kind of what i'm

1981
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:37,120
waiting for because i don't want to keep

1982
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,480
talking on

1983
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,480
i just i want to get to work i want to i

1984
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:42,800
want the witnesses to come forward

1985
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:45,199
the people that also saw that that

1986
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,960
aren't even in the movie

1987
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:49,120
like that's really what i want is like

1988
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:51,440
those people that because this story was

1989
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,920
it was just it was not a small event and

1990
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:56,000
it and it touched a lot of people's

1991
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,920
lives not just the kids

1992
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:00,080
um so

1993
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:02,239
i look forward to that and once we go

1994
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,199
you know on a big on bigger whatever

1995
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,520
joe we'll bring in witnesses we'll do

1996
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:09,199
the whole nine yards but that's what

1997
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:12,239
everybody's waiting for yeah

1998
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,840
all right i'll keep talking for a little

1999
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:15,840
while until we get to that point

2000
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:17,840
now how long did the entire encounter

2001
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,400
last now this person may not be aware a

2002
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:21,840
lot of people are not aware there's

2003
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,080
things going on for days

2004
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:26,880
correct or at least a few days right

2005
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:27,840
correct

2006
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,920
and there was a pilot a pilot saw

2007
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,400
something and multiple pilots multiple

2008
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:34,159
pilots

2009
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:34,960
so

2010
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,239
um the incident itself airline pilot

2011
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:40,800
not just small plane pilots yeah

2012
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,760
commercial airline so the the uh the

2013
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,679
incident itself

2014
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:47,440
at the schoolyard

2015
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,800
when that uh class that period the

2016
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,800
recess period was over

2017
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,719
and they had to go inside

2018
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:56,880
were were the beings and the craft still

2019
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,960
out on the yard

2020
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,480
i don't think anybody really knew

2021
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:02,080
because everybody was in tear running

2022
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,360
the other way

2023
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:06,080
but as far as time there was one witness

2024
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,719
who who a female uh

2025
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:11,360
i think she was grade two or three she

2026
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:13,360
said 15 minutes

2027
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,320
because it was at john mack asked him

2028
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,640
how long did was this going on and he

2029
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:22,239
says 15 minutes anyway i have two

2030
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:25,199
references to that time period and it

2031
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:26,640
always strikes me every time i think

2032
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,960
it's like 15 minutes is an awfully long

2033
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:30,560
time

2034
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:31,600
you know

2035
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:33,760
yes oh yeah i mean it's something like

2036
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:35,360
that a lot of people will mention

2037
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:36,719
counters that were you know in the

2038
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:39,440
seconds yeah you know that lasted a

2039
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:42,320
whole 30 seconds

2040
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:43,760
that's a good question good good

2041
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:46,080
question whoever that was that was great

2042
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:47,760
yeah because it's important stuff like

2043
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:49,280
that details like that which i don't

2044
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:50,719
really get to talk about too much

2045
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:53,520
because that's more the investigative

2046
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,080
stage of like okay what'd you find out

2047
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:58,320
here what'd you find out there

2048
01:15:02,229 --> 01:14:59,760
you know a lot of people just are like

2049
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,239
oh it's about aliens but it's like no

2050
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,800
actually i drilled down in every single

2051
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,560
angle and direction i could to figure

2052
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:08,320
out what was going on

2053
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:10,159
because i just didn't want to take it as

2054
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:13,120
face value you know i wanted to find out

2055
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:14,719
what was going on in space what was

2056
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:16,320
going on in the country what was going

2057
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:18,560
on in the on the world

2058
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:21,360
in all different aspects um

2059
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:22,840
and who are these

2060
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,840
people right someone wanted to know

2061
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:28,320
if any one of the kids became

2062
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,000
clairvoyant or had the ability to heal

2063
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:34,239
do you know anything about that anyone

2064
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:38,080
ever talk about that that you spoke with

2065
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:40,000
yes

2066
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:41,679
and which one already smiling i can't

2067
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,080
say that

2068
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:46,080
which ability which ability did they

2069
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:47,280
have

2070
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:48,239
um

2071
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:52,970
hmm

2072
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:04,149
i would say a little both to be honest

2073
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,189
yeah

2074
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:07,280
but i get i get it gets tricky here

2075
01:16:11,870 --> 01:16:09,840
because i cannot mention anybody's names

2076
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:11,880
you know what i mean i get that um

2077
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:13,199
[Music]

2078
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:14,640
but i've had you know there's a lot of

2079
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:17,440
experiences i've had with

2080
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:19,600
people involved with this and

2081
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,390
um that's up to them to speak about

2082
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:28,239
usually when a film like this comes out

2083
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:30,159
and it gets a lot of reach

2084
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:31,440
you start getting

2085
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,600
reaching back to you saying hey look i

2086
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:37,199
was you know

2087
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:40,000
uh 50 miles away and you know kilometers

2088
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,760
away or whatever and i had something

2089
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:43,920
happen has any of that happened with you

2090
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:46,000
yes it happened it happened in the

2091
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:48,320
beginning you know once i first started

2092
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:49,679
to

2093
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:51,199
when um

2094
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:53,760
i was doing when i got on a few radio

2095
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:56,000
shows in south africa thank you to nikki

2096
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,760
carter um

2097
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:59,040
that's when i started getting those

2098
01:17:01,189 --> 01:17:00,320
phone calls

2099
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,199
about

2100
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,360
because i was calling for witnesses on

2101
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,040
the radio stations over there was

2102
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:07,199
anybody there and then i started getting

2103
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:10,080
calls emails and calls um

2104
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:13,199
of other with again a lot of interviews

2105
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:15,520
that are not in the movie

2106
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:18,640
relevant like with exactly within 25 50

2107
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:21,199
miles other other people witnessed this

2108
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,560
thing

2109
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,159
interesting here's a

2110
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:26,239
a good question are there by chance more

2111
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:27,760
teachers staff

2112
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:29,760
that witness this event that have not

2113
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:31,280
been interviewed

2114
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,040
yes

2115
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:35,760
so as far as we know the outside as far

2116
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,000
as i know i should say

2117
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:40,719
there there was one that did come

2118
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:41,760
forward

2119
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:44,560
and say she was actually on the

2120
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,640
playground and witnessed it and was

2121
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,640
there more than her

2122
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,560
yes

2123
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:53,040
so they were just afraid to to talk

2124
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:56,239
about it what was the deal

2125
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:03,270
well

2126
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,640
yes i think the headmaster at the time

2127
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:08,640
uh because it was all about the kids

2128
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:11,199
right the concern was about the kids the

2129
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:13,679
parents were calling about the kids

2130
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:14,640
uh

2131
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,360
the school did not want to draw

2132
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:19,679
much more attention to this than was

2133
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,440
necessary and and that you know the

2134
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:23,520
headmaster was the headmaster

2135
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,239
if he told you not to talk about it you

2136
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:27,840
didn't do it

2137
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:28,719
and

2138
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,560
the the

2139
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:33,040
there were three witnesses females

2140
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,400
teachers

2141
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:36,480
that that were in different locations at

2142
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:43,990
i've just kept that

2143
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:46,719
quiet because

2144
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:49,199
the fact that the kids saw this

2145
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:52,000
themselves is i thought was more

2146
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:55,040
important than that yeah but that'll i

2147
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:56,640
knew that it would come out

2148
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,360
and

2149
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,040
there's no question that's going to come

2150
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,760
out but i don't think i needed to um i

2151
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,600
investigated it wanted to do it in the

2152
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:05,040
film but

2153
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:06,800
then again i was like you know what how

2154
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:09,920
much can we have in this and also

2155
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,400
i look forward to

2156
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:14,239
you know what makes a film greater than

2157
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:15,600
when uh

2158
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:17,840
witnesses after the fact that aren't

2159
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:20,159
even in the movie come forward

2160
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:21,520
especially people that were at the

2161
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:23,920
school but that exists and whoever

2162
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:25,280
whoever

2163
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:26,800
asked that question

2164
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,400
i'm sure they might have heard something

2165
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:30,400
recently but uh

2166
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:31,840
yeah it's true

2167
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:34,400
yeah well i think it's always

2168
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,560
interesting to have a cooperation from

2169
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:38,719
an adult when children are involved you

2170
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:40,239
know nothing against children it's just

2171
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:41,840
that people seem to feel more

2172
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,239
comfortable if they an adult would say

2173
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:46,000
oh yeah well they're the kids aren't all

2174
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,000
crazy you know that type of thing i'm

2175
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:50,400
not saying ingredient particular this in

2176
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:52,719
particular but in a lot of cases this is

2177
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:54,560
just a compliment i think that it's

2178
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,880
always nice to see it's not surprising

2179
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,800
that this took 15 years to have a

2180
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:00,560
finished product especially done in the

2181
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:04,370
taste and pride and accuracy

2182
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,840
[Music]

2183
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,840
that's just me that's my crew that's

2184
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:09,280
everybody that was involved and i

2185
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:12,080
appreciate that and i'll pass that on

2186
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:13,520
and have you ever thought about writing

2187
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:15,679
a book you know how about writing a book

2188
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:18,320
about doing the movie

2189
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:19,920
well i think there's you know there's

2190
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:21,920
only so much you can put in the film so

2191
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:24,719
yeah uh i think and that has been a

2192
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:26,880
discussion that happened last week um

2193
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:29,040
but i can't do everything i'm already on

2194
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,719
a couple other projects and it's like

2195
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:32,880
how am i going to do a book

2196
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:34,000
you know what i mean i'm going to have

2197
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:37,199
to ghostwriter i can't go spreader i can

2198
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:39,199
literally dictate the entire story

2199
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,719
because unfortunately it is not out of

2200
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,199
here yet

2201
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,199
and i can help you

2202
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:47,360
hey so i'd love to get it all in a book

2203
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,760
because i know it i know it for day for

2204
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:52,080
day hour for hours since the beginning

2205
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:53,360
so

2206
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:55,760
it's just a matter of how much time do i

2207
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:58,320
have um and just sitting there and

2208
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:59,280
actually

2209
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:01,520
rolling camera

2210
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,520
and then they can translate that onto a

2211
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:05,920
paper because i think there's so many

2212
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:08,239
stories i want to tell you know that

2213
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:10,480
you just don't you can't put in an hour

2214
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:11,199
in

2215
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:14,400
someone wanted to know

2216
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:16,159
getting back to that triangle that

2217
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:17,920
lifted up out of the water they saw the

2218
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:20,880
light first what what was the um

2219
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:27,270
that was just south of the port of

2220
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:28,639
durban

2221
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:29,600
so

2222
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:33,920
and i had a location and i did

2223
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,560
interviews right there with these people

2224
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:38,320
which hopefully i have will have the

2225
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:40,000
chance to publish that

2226
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:42,080
because uh i mean those are the kinds of

2227
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:44,159
things which i did a lot of that tell a

2228
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:46,080
lot about this story

2229
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,040
from different perspectives you know

2230
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:51,199
another one was these people were on a

2231
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:53,679
football field in south africa

2232
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:55,760
and they all witnessed this thing come

2233
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,870
and when i interviewed this guy great i

2234
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,320
interviewed the headmaster of this

2235
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,080
school it was probably

2236
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:08,320
300 miles south of ariel it was actually

2237
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:10,560
in south africa maybe 400 miles peter

2238
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:11,760
merrittsburg

2239
01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:14,000
and um

2240
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:16,639
and i interviewed him and he said you're

2241
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,600
not so there was already an agency here

2242
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:20,880
from the u.s

2243
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:21,840
really

2244
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:24,159
yeah jeez

2245
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:27,440
and when he said that i'm like

2246
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:28,239
who

2247
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,960
what an agency from the u.s that was and

2248
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:32,880
he said yo now they were very official

2249
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:35,280
and i'm like we don't investigate ufo

2250
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,440
this was back in 2008.

2251
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:39,920
we don't investigate ufos that's what i

2252
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:42,880
told him he said well they were here

2253
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:46,159
amazing that was interesting yeah anyway

2254
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:48,239
i interviewed him and uh

2255
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:50,080
it was in the papers at the time because

2256
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,840
so many people the kids were out on the

2257
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,520
football field

2258
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:55,840
foot yeah football in

2259
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:57,120
um

2260
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,719
yeah they call it football when it's

2261
01:23:01,430 --> 01:23:00,239
soccer right or

2262
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,440
something yeah

2263
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,280
not sure if it was a rugby game or a

2264
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:05,760
football game but it uh i know all that

2265
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:07,360
i just can't remember off top of my head

2266
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:08,560
but uh

2267
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:10,400
and they all witnessed this thing in the

2268
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:13,040
sky and then they saw it just

2269
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:14,880
go underneath the water because their

2270
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:17,440
field was elevated and the ocean was

2271
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:19,280
just right there

2272
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,639
um but he also had everybody there's a

2273
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,960
lot of witnesses to that thing

2274
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:25,920
um

2275
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:29,280
but so funny there's so many stories and

2276
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,719
so many people don't even know about

2277
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:31,920
them

2278
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,040
you know yeah oh i know i i love i'd

2279
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,440
love that um and that's

2280
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:39,360
like one of the things i want to expand

2281
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,520
on more is getting more of those stories

2282
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,920
i i i've asked my

2283
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:45,679
and i'll throw this out there again if

2284
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:47,440
you're listening to the show

2285
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:50,000
you may or may not have had a ufo

2286
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,080
encounter of your own and i'm always

2287
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:54,000
interested in talking to someone if they

2288
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:57,199
had a very unusual encounter if you want

2289
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,639
to email me at martin podcast ufo.com i

2290
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,639
put up a couple of clips that people

2291
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:04,000
absolutely love

2292
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:06,320
you know of uh their encounters that

2293
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:07,360
they had

2294
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:10,560
so um yeah um i just talked to you first

2295
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,920
on the phone and

2296
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,679
figure out if it's something i want to

2297
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:15,760
put up on this youtube channel and

2298
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:18,239
podcast so but uh randall thank you so

2299
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:19,679
much it's been a real pleasure and maybe

2300
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:21,760
i'll see you uh this thursday we'll see

2301
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,360
yeah that would be that would be great

2302
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,520
and i appreciate appreciate the time and

2303
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,520
uh appreciate the honesty

2304
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,360
yes and thank you so much for your hard

2305
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:31,440
work it's been a real pleasure and if i

2306
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:33,040
don't happen to see a thursday i'll see

2307
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:35,679
you out in phoenix yeah

2308
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:37,920
in october yeah great

2309
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:39,520
yeah all right you take care and i'll

2310
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:41,840
talk to you soon all right everyone okay

2311
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:44,560
thanks so much we'll be back next week

2312
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,600
with laura mcdonald and that should be

2313
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:49,840
another interesting show and thank you

2314
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:51,920
for tuning in and remember to keep your

2315
01:25:04,340 --> 01:24:55,250
eyes to the sky